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July 20, 2006

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violet

Interesting document. I would be surprised if there weren't more meeting minutes like it as there is certainly a disconnect between the ledareship and the membership on that endorsement.

I've also heard from oea and osea members who were furious that the leadership endorsed teddy k after they withheld their support in the primary. Just because an organization gives an endorsement doesn't mean they can motivate the troops.

Kulongoski won last time because the unions saved him in the end. They sacrificed a lot to do it and I'm not sure they can pull that out again, not after TK lied to them about reforming PERS and froze wages and benefit about his first day in office.

Of course, Saxton must be loving the unions direction becuase it gives him a perfect campaign issue.

After the primary, TK said he won without his party's "special interests." Looks like he's figured out he'll need them.

Now John, if you can only come across some documents to determine what deals Ted cut with seiu to get them to back down on nursing home initiative and appease one of his largest donors- nursing homes.

I'm sure it must have been more than the granting of a task force...

Jon Isaacs

Violet,

I'll be frank here - I think its cowardly and unbelievably irresonsible to ANNONYMOUSLY throw around an accusation like this. If you're going to make a charge such as this about any major advocacy organization have the guts to take the heat and PUBLICLY stand behind your claim.

I say this as someone who is, for the most part, unhappy with most of AFSCME's 2006 endorsments. So its not like I'm out to defend them for our own purposes.

Here's some advice - if you want this blog to be taken seriously start taking responsibility for the claims/opinions stated here and let readers know who's writing the columns and who's sponsoring the blog.

JHL

So... is Mr. Issacs claiming that the PDF of those minutes is a fabrication? Or that AFSCME's endorsement was? Because if they're both genuine (and so far they seem to be), it seems to me that's evidence of a lie... whether it was revealed anonymously or not.

Burt Ludwig

Mr. Isaacs,
You sound like defenders of Mr. Bush when presented with the Downing Street Memos. With the obvious documented evidence of the AFSCME elite lies your only recourse for defense is a personal attack on the messenger, who by the way lists his name as John Lowry (not anonymous). So if you really want to make a better point than deal with the evidence at hand . Just a thought.

zoe

What’s up with this? Trashing a Union for their member’s decisions. Calling then liars cheats and worse with little or no backup - except for some ill gotten minutes that may or may not be real. "Union Elite" what is up with that - my union rep works 50-60 hours a week-salaried - that means with no overtime - if that is elite I'll keep my 4o hours + overtime job that my Union bargains for me.

I really like Ben Westlund -- but -- I will not help elect Ron Saxton even if it means I end up voting for Teddy. Look I think what he did to the public employees was outrageous. But Saxton is talking about firing them - killing their retirement - and putting all of us (as Oregonians) in court for years while the lawyers sort it out. Now he wants us to believe he only meant some public employees - not the retirees who he will hold harmless. What a bunch of bunk.

If this non-union association wants to endorse Ben - more power to them. I have to assume that is what their members voted to do. I am not a member of that group and would not suggest that what they are doing is morally wrong. Nor should any of you reading this.

What is wrong with you people - Unions are our best hope for a better future. They keep wage levels higher, work for higher minimum wages, days off, vacations, health and safety on and off the job and for health care reforms. None of us can do that without their support and the support of their members - even with a few dissenters - we are better of with them than without them. We certainly cannot afford to make them weaker than they are - we should help make them stronger.

JohnLowry

At issue here is not whether unions are great (they are). But very simply the difference between what was promised to members by leadership and what was delivered.

Zoe suggests that the minutes of the AFSCME meeting may not be real. If she's got any evidence to that effect, I'd love to see it.

violet

I think the real issue here is whether unions can maintain their credibility with members when they spend years slamming Kulo, and then turn around and endorse him out of fear.

If unions members were all gung ho to endorse ted, they would have done it in the primary.

political expedience now points to a tk endorsement and once again unions consider only the short-term vision. TK is on course to lose and not even the unions can save him- sorry!

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